Narayana dasa: timing problems and relief
This class focuses on the method of seeing the effects of curses using Mula, Narayana and Naisargika dasa. Focus is on the methods of using Narayana dasa to time the effects of the curses and blessings in the chart, and accurately time the period of relief.
April 29th, 2007 at 5:57 pm
Thanks for the lesson on Narayana dasa! I am working on a chart where this information will be quite valuable.
Curious, though…why aren’t you on your honeymoon? (I thought you just got married.)
namaste, David
April 29th, 2007 at 8:31 pm
Dear David, Namaskar
Thanks for the cudos. Now, now. You know thats none of your business, but I can tell you that we have planned for the same in the near future.
Yours, Visti
April 30th, 2007 at 6:36 am
Dear Visti,
I have a question related to your chart. Why did you not consider Scorpio Narayana Dasha which houses the Sun under curse. This also coincides with the Moola dashas of Mars 1981-82 and Sun 1982-85. You said something about curses getting activated when the native is in their twenties- does that mean that curses have no effect earlier, say in a person’s childhood? Is that why you did not consider the first Narayana Dasha?
Greatly looking forward to your answer,
Yours,
Tulsi
April 30th, 2007 at 11:30 am
Dear Visti,Namaskar,
a) In your lecture for calculating the Narayan Dasha, you mentioned that we have to start from lagna or seventh house, whichever is stronger. If no planet is posited in lagna and seventh house and both these lords are in some other house together, how to conclude which among them is stronger - the lagna or the seventh ?
b)In general how do we conclude whether a particular plant is strong or weak ? Is it based on the degrees (Odd Rasi - 0 to 6 Balyavastha,6-12 Kumarvastha,12-18 Yuvavastha, 18-24 Vridhavastha and 24-30 Mritavastha - In case of planet being in even rashi the order is reversed) or there are other considerations ?
c)Can observations from Vimsottari dasha and Narayan dasha contrary to each other, sometimes if not all the times ?
Kindly enlighten.
regards
sanjeev
April 30th, 2007 at 3:42 pm
||Hare Rama Krishna||
Dear Sanjeev,
If I may point out how to judge the stronger between 7 th and Lagna, if none have any planet.
Sanjay ji in his book advises that the following rules work well:
1.Sign aspected by Jupiter, Mercury or its own Lord is stronger
2.Look at the natural strenghth of the sign
Dual sign is stronger than , Fixed, which is stronger than Movable sign
Hope this helps.
Regards
Sharat
April 30th, 2007 at 5:25 pm
!Om Gurave Namah!
Dear Visti ji, Namaskar!
Thanks for the lesson on Narayana/Moola dasa.
In you lecture you said that it is difficult to remedy the curse when retrograde planet is involved in the curse. What happens when the cursed benefic itself is retrograde?
Warm regards,
Pranav
May 1st, 2007 at 8:59 pm
|| Hare Rama Krushna ||
Namaste Vistiji,
Whenever you find it appropriate, can you please give us a class on Graha Malika Yoga. As I understand, it is one of those overriding yogas in a chart that we should understand well. So far, I have not come across any detailed discussion of this yoga.
Just a thought…
May Sri Vishnu bless us all,
Reema.
May 2nd, 2007 at 7:33 am
Dear Sharat, Namaskar,
Thanks for the reply. This definately would help but in a specific case that I wanted to find out which (Lagna or Seventh) is stronger, it did not. Scropio Lagna - Mars-Venus in tenth; Jupiter in twelfth, Mercury in ninth - neither lords,Jupiter nor Mercury aspecting lagna or seventh house. Both lagna and seventh are fixed signs.
Maybe because Rahu aspects seventh and Jupiter is of 29 degrees in twelfth house, we may infer that Lagna is stronger. What is your opinion ?
regards
sanjeev
May 2nd, 2007 at 7:43 am
Dear Sanjeev,
Where is Ketu, does it aspect Lagna/7H by rasi drisi?
There are more rules, can you give chart details please.
Regards
Sharat
May 2nd, 2007 at 8:09 am
Dear Sharat,
The details are
14.08.1959
1330 hrs
Bhopal (M.P.) India
Thanks
sanjeev
May 2nd, 2007 at 8:41 am
||Namah Shivaya||
Dear Sanjeev,
Narayana dasa will start from Vrishabha, as 7H is stronger, aspected by both Guru and Buddha.
Hope this helps
Regards
Sharat
May 3rd, 2007 at 7:03 am
Dear Sharat, Namaskar,
Thanks a lot. Would you please also give the key points to interpret each of the Narayan dasha - meaning suppose Aquarius dasha is running, on what basis to expect the results during the dasha ; likewise for coming Pisces dasha how to predict.
regards
sanjeev
May 3rd, 2007 at 2:44 pm
||Namah Shivaya||
Dear Sanjeev,
Basically you need to assess the bhava’s 1(Intelligence),8( Debts) and 10(Karma) from the MD lord. Perhaps you should go through Visti’s Mp3 on this site.
Regards
Sharat
May 4th, 2007 at 8:43 pm
Dear Tulsi and Sharat, Namaskar.
Sharat
Thanks for answering the questions here. Good work. It would be better to give all the rules for strength assesment.
Tulsi
Curses really manifest in the dasas of the two Gurus: Shukra and Guru Naisargika dasa’s, from 12-50 years og age. This is because the senses are at their highest state of awareness at this time.
During Scorpio dasa I was often affected by disease, fevers, almost drowned twice, had malaria as well, and also had a couple of close encounters with snakes. So yes it brought its troubles with it.
Reema
I promise i will teach this, but my problem is that i won’t teach without knowing the remedy… this is what is lacking.
Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen.
May 4th, 2007 at 9:06 pm
Dear Sir,
Venus and Guru are the two guru for each of saturnian group and Jupiterian group. they both are rival, though they don’t show their enemity in open, as they are supposed to show their knowledge and preachings.
They both are maraka from their respective signs by ownership.
For Pisces and Sagittarius Lagna or Rasi Venus is great maraka and For Libra and Taurus Jupiter is great maraka hence in many of the horoscope I have come across that the native was not doing well with his performance or results.
Mysore Maharaja having his Venus in 9th, Lagna being Sagittarius could not enjoy his bagya during its bukthi, that every one have witnessed by seeing the abolishment of Rajya of Raja.
V.B. Manian, Astrologer
May 5th, 2007 at 7:04 pm
||Namah Shivaya||
Rules applicable for Narayan Dasa
Following are the rules for judging the strength of signs, when studying Narayan Dasa. The rules are used in hierachy and if the first applies then rest are not used.
Rule I for source of strength
1. Sign with one or more planets is stronger than the sign without or less number of planets.
2. If the signs have equal number of planets, then the strength for the signs is seen as per exaltation, mooltrikona or swashetra.
3.If still equal, then natural strength of sign is seen, dual sign being stronger than fixed, fixed being stronger than movable signs.
4.Lord of sign with higher degree in longitude is considered stronger
5.Even sign’s lord placement in a odd sign and Odd sign’s placement in a even sign is stronger.
6.The sign giving more years of dasa period is stronger.
Rule II for source of strength
Sign aspected by Jupiter, Mercury or its own Lord is stronger
Priority suggested by Sanjay ji is:
1.Rule 1, sub rule 1
2.Rule 2
3.Rule 1, sub rule 2
4.Rule 1, sub rule 3
Hope this helps the readers.
Sincerely,
Sharat
May 7th, 2007 at 9:57 am
Dear Sharat, Namaskar.
I think you took this from Sanjayji’s book: Narayana Dasa.
There is an error in the book as the 4th and 5th rule of strength are supposed to be exchanged.
The rules thus become:
1. More planets in a sign.
2. Dristi of Guru, Budha or Own lord.
3. Planets in the sign having exaltation, own sign, etc. strength.
4. Dual signs being stronger than Fixed who in turn are stronger than movable signs.
5. Lord being in a sign of a different oddity than that of its lordship. I.e. If the lord of an odd sign is in an even sign it gains strength.
6. Higher degrees (we use the charakaraka strength here.
7. Sign having more years of dasa.
Yours sincerely, Visti
May 7th, 2007 at 10:51 am
||Namah Shivaya||
Dear Visti,
Namaskar,
Thanks for this correction, much obliged.
Regards
Sharat
May 7th, 2007 at 3:53 pm
Dear Visti,
Thanks for the lesson on Narayana dasa as well others. I would like to know from where I can learn the characteristic of the Navamasas in various Rasis. You have commented about the Thula navamsa in Leo Rasi. If you could let me know the source it would be a great help for me. It would be even better if you could give a lecture on this subject in the future.
Thank you very much for all your effort to spread the knowledge of the Vedic Astrology.
Kumar
May 8th, 2007 at 9:15 am
Dear Gurudev, Namaksar
I was experiencing with JH in my early days, and its works in these scheme with Narayana dasa.
Stronger house
(1) More planets
(2) Guru / Buddha / Bhavesh
(3) Different oddity of lords
(4) More longitude
(5) Longer dasa
You added few more
Regards
Rafal Gendarz
http://www.rohinaa.com
May 8th, 2007 at 3:26 pm
Does anyone know what the rising sign is for 11:30 AM today, May 8, 2007, EST?
Does anyone know the time it will change signs after that?
Thanks,
Della
May 8th, 2007 at 4:27 pm
Dear Visti,
Namaskar,
Had the pleasure to listent to narayan Dasa lecture over the weekend .. though only partially.
Appying it to my chart, I see that the upcoming dasa ( in 2011 ) is going to be troublesome as it has Sa(r) in it and the 8th from it is Capricorn and 10th is Pisces which contains the Cursed Moon ( from Rahu and Shani). So all three 1st 8th and 10th are connecting for this dasa with the curse. Also the Saturn is retrograde.
Now When I look at Mula dasa if I take it from Sun then the period is of Jupiter and Ketu, however from Moon the period is of Rahu -Moon and Rahu -Shani so indicating the curse will manifest during this time. Do you recommend looking at Mula dasa from Moon ?
Please give me some advice / remedy to see through this period … I know its a long way off but still who knows if I will be able to get in touch with you then.
Best Regards,
Ashish
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May 9th, 2007 at 3:24 pm
Dear Kumar and Ashish, Namaskar.
Kumar
I’m abit unsure about the context in which i mentioned this. Maybe it should be part of a navamsa-lecture.
Ashish
Why not Moola dasa from lagna?
Go through the remedy-lecture and do find the right devata to worship for this.
Yours sincerely, Visti
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:41 pm
Dear Visti,
Namaskar,
Have gone through the remedy lecture and able to find that the Guru which is lord of Moon will be planet to alleviate the curse, guru is in 5th and strong. So I should worship brihaspati ,good to confirm that as I have been doing a fast for thursday for past 1 year and worshipping Brihaspati though I am not very regular with the mantra .. “rishabham charshanina…”
However my question still remains there was a typo earlier I took the mula dasa from lagna and not sun..
So the question is that in 2011 the narayana dasa of Gemini with Sa is starting and 8th from it is Capricorn lorded by Saturn only and 10 contains Moon which is under curse. So this dasa should be very troublesome. However the mula dasa from lagan at that time is Ju-Ketu and give that Jupiter is going to remove the curse should I infer that I will be protected from this curse. However if we take mula dasa from moon then the period is rahu-moon and rahu-shani.
So here we see that the mula dasa from moon is coinciding with the troublesome narayan dasa period.
Can there be different perspectives to Mula dasa depeding upon where we start it from ?
Best Wishes
Thanks,
Ashish
May 28th, 2007 at 9:37 pm
Dear Visti,
It seems that you tend to avoid differences btw Narayana and Moola Dasa. For timing courses, you use Narayana+ do you require that Moola dasa ALWAYS be in accordance, for manifestations to appear ? I think that Narayana as more comprehensive, is more important.
2/In my chart/you’ve provided data already/ Li /7thH, stronger/with Mars on it, mars is Trine Rahu, some kind od Sarpa yoga/s/, sarpa & Vijaya, more specifically. Li running indicate the timing of the course/ both ones? Is AD needed to trigger the fructification of the course? At the same time Sun in Makara /and A10/ is in fourth from dasa rashi: does it indicate shift of attention, new /which ones?/ opportunities,
opportunities through struggle during the length of dasa?
3/Narasimha : he uses Hora Lagna in Narayana interpretation/financial forecast/, you seem to ignore it altogether? /My/ Li dasa conjunct Ma and HL- would you give it any importance?
4/what’s importance of trinal placements from N.dasha rashi?
5/Do you have a trick ‘to marry’ Vimsottari and Narayana? is that necessary or not?
Love,
Anna
May 28th, 2007 at 10:01 pm
Dear Ashish,
Let me answer your question ‘Can there be different perspectives to Mula dasa depending upon where we start it from?”
I would say always, and would apply this to every dasha. Sanjay is quite clear on this- starting point is dependant on the type of answers we are searching for. For ex. you can get more relevant career answers if you start dasha/s/ from Sun.
One suggestion I’d give you in response to your insistent effort to find ‘total relief’ from curses- That seems to give strength to your fears; strengthen your ability to cope with the karma, instead.
Best wishes,
Anna
May 29th, 2007 at 1:56 pm
Hi Anna,
Namaskar, Nice advice about not mulling too much on the curses, I don’t do that and try to take things as they come.
“Insistent” postings if there are, are more because I am trying to learn Jyotish and have started from my chart only.
So tell me how do we interpret Mula dasa from various starting points like Lagna, Sun and Moon. Should we see this as affecting Physical Body, Atma and Mind.
Warm Regards,
Ashish
May 30th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
Dear Ashish,
As you are well aware of, youtish is never ending joy of learning, and I try too to enjoy this awesome body of knowledge and avoid experiencing fears, which is not an easy task. My ’strategy’ is ‘place everything in God’s hand’ /where everything belongs anyway/ and do not look my son’s chart often. I consistently use couple of charts of people in whose life I partcipate, including my own, of course, to explore and learn from.
I haven’t explored enough Sun, Moon, Lagna starting points, but well enough to acquire stable opinion that general principles work. I would look at Moon-Lagna s.p. and have a glance at Sun’s sp. picture, and when you do that often, something ‘clicks’ somewhere in higher mind,perhaps and you get focused and DIRECTED to the right one.
To help you better understand ‘global picture’, principle foundation, let me share Visti’s teaching example- during bad Saturn period i didn’t have health problem and Visti saw that didn’t happen because Moola dasa running at that time wasn’t suppporting. In 2009 when lagna rashi comes in Moola dasa, says Visti, ALONG with difficult /health-wise/ TRANSIT I should be careful about my health. Moon, my Lagnesh was a starting point and it sounds correct to start Moola d. from Moon/health, body/ My Moon is in Scorpio and Visti made a /good/conclusion that I should take care about my reproductive system. /No problems so far, BUT I will certainly have it checked more often in 2009!/I write this because I consider this one exemplifies very thoughtful, intuitive analysis, excellent discrimination and perfect consistency. I didn’t have more Qs, do you?
Hope this adds a ‘golden drop’ to our common pool of knowldge.
Warm wishes,
Anna
May 30th, 2007 at 5:22 pm
Dear Ashish,
If you think I missed your Q “So tell me how do we interpret Mula dasa from various starting points like Lagna, Sun and Moon. Should we see this as affecting Physical Body, Atma and Mind.”- No, I didn’t. But let me clarify. See signification first- lagna and lagnesh tell about physical body-but be open to idiosyncracies- in example I gave with Cn. Lagna I would have a glance at BOTH s.p., and if ‘red light’ appears in any, I would look the context of the chart. Moon is Mind-Moola dasha, Vimsottari from Moon, curses etc..if they all point in one direction, go further, if not, go back and find DIRECTION/common sense.
I’ve given you suggestions I use and method I use, but perhaps other methods work as well. Go after yout guts. If Moon from my example is Atma karaka, you can not go wrong that Mind would be more affected- I’d add body as well, because its both Lagnesh and AK, and I strongly believe that all ailing are psychosomatic- how can possibly body stay unharmed if the mind suffers. If you have a yoga indicating promotion, see what Sun ‘is doing’- if you find activity there, something is going to ‘fructify’ career-wise.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Anna
June 3rd, 2007 at 11:03 pm
Dear Ashish and Anna, Namaskar
Anna has given some good answers. Think of Mula dasa as the time when the good/bad from the past life has to be experienced, where Narayana dasa shows how that karma is affecting our karma-yoga in this life.
As for other vishesha lagnas, truth is i use EVERYTHING. Even the Varnada lagna which noone talks about these days, but if i mentioned everything i look at in the chart i would be writing and speaking ten times more than i already do.
Yours, Visti.
June 4th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
Dear Anna and Visti,
Namaskar,
Thanks a lot for your advise, I will not say that I have fully understood the tips but probably with time and practice I will get it in.
Best Regards,
Ashish
October 11th, 2007 at 4:32 pm
Dear Visti,
Would you please tell us how to interpret the dasa of Mars and then Saturn for this man (2/18/42, 15:35, 74W10, 40N55, 5 West of GMT)?
He has Cancer lagna, with Saturn debilitated and Mars in 10th, aspected by Rahu from 2nd. Venus and Mercury are both retrograde in Capricorn in 7th and Mercury is in MKS.
1. Are both Saturn and Mars cursed by being joined with each other and then aspected by Rahu?
2. Or is just Saturn cursed, being the much weaker of the 2 planets (debilitated and lording a MKS planet)?
My friend has just started dating him, and I fear for both of them as he comes into his Saturn/Rahu Moola dasa in November.
Blessings to all,
Julli
October 13th, 2007 at 9:07 am
Dear Julli, Namaskar
It is Mars who is cursed being a higher benefic.
This will affect relationships as Saturn is the seventh lord. He will bring the problems into the relationship if these planets are placed in the third, sixth or eleventh from arudha lagna.
Yours sincerely, Visti
November 20th, 2007 at 11:32 am
Dear Visti-ji. This is regarding judging the strength between my lagna and 7th. Both lagna and 7th are dual sign with no planets & no rashi drishti from Guru, Budha or Own lord.Both are lords of
odd signs in odd signs.
Finally: 7th lord Jupiter is AmK and lagna lord is only PiK. But when you say more dasa years are you refering to Vimshottari dasa years? If so Mercury has more strength.
Which is stronger in this case - Lagna or 7th? By the way lagna has graha drishti from Jupiter but i’m guessing this is not relevant.
Thank You
February 4th, 2008 at 11:57 am
Dear Visti,
Has this thread been closed to further questions/comments?
http://www.srigaruda.com/jaimini-sjc/2007/03/11/lecture-on-remedies/#comments
Thanx
SS
February 7th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Dear Members, Namaskar.
Priya
Graha dristi isn’t relevant when your counting the resources available for a rasi, so your right in this respect.
The reference to Dasa years is the amount of years gained in the narayana dasa.
SS
Yes, i felt the answers given were enough to teach the important points of how to decide the remedy. If the thread had continued it would end up appealing to peoples personal charts rather than learning.
Yours sincerely, Visti
February 8th, 2008 at 6:48 am
No doubt the thread gives a lot of information, yet, I had one question related to curses, which i dont know now where else to post, and since this is a related thread, i’m taking the risk of posting it here:
In VRA (pg 67), a curse of past birth is defined as follows:
“The principle is that the house, its Lord as well as its natural signifactor should all be afflicted either together or separately by malefics”.
However, according to the mp3_s from this site the curse is inclusive only of affliction to a graha by 2 or more malefics (not mentioning the hs and lord).
So i was wondering as to what is said in VRA’s principle is applicable to a chart wanting to include all 3 factors or 1 factor at a time:
e.g. does the affliction have to be to
- all the 3 factors viz. Ve, 7th Hs and lord of 7th by 2 or more malefics (which may be different malefics) in the same chart or — either karaka-graha OR hs OR lord can be afflicted by 2/more malefics?
or, is it that afliction to all three (karaka+hs+lord)is more severe than afflcition to karaka / graha only?
Many thanx
SS