Upapada
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हरे राम कृष्ण॥
Dear Nitin and group, Namaskar
dārārūḍhavaśādvadedupapadāttāmādibhāryaṁ tataḥ tattannaidhanabhātsmarākhyapadato yāvacca pāpādikam|
From the arudha of the seventh (darapada/a7) and from the arudha of the twelfth (upapada/UL) we have to find out everything about the first wife. From the eighth houses of these two arudhas we can know about the second wife. - Translation by P.S. Sastri - Uttara Kalamrita Chapter IV, sloka 40
So, to find the subsequent partners see the eighth from the particular pada. Specifically with the darapada we are concerned with ‘vaśā’ which is any woman/partner, wife/spouse, mate, etc. In the tradition we call this all sambandha.
For Upapada we are concerned with bhārya which is specifically the wife. In the tradition we call this Vivaha.
Now, when we analyze the seventh house in the chart we are seeing 1) our approach towards relationships (seventh house in rasi) and 2) our partners characteristics (navamsa) and how he/she relates to you (seventh lord in rasi).
Whereas, the formal agreement of partnership (a7) and marriage (UL) is seen from the specific arudhas. Remember that ‘all things arudha are all things tangible’, i.e. you can measure them or see some formal agreement of the same.
The house/lord of the second from the UL will determine the length of sustenance of the marriage.
However, do not ignore the houses, and when it comes to marriage the twelfth house is extremely important in the chart. Malefics there like Ketu can cause problems in marriage.
Reg. the chart you have posted:
Date: July 25, 1973
Time: 5:45:00
Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)
Place: 76 E 17′ 00″, 9 N 59′ 00″
Ernakulam, India
Here the twelfth house is occupied by two malefics: Ketu and Saturn. This will not bode well for marriage. Mars and Rahu are in quadrants from this forming a dire sarpa yoga from the twelfth house and marriage perspective, not making the situation easier with lots of passion and disappointments in the physical felicity of the partnerships.
Now, see the upapadas. The first one is in Leo and the second lord Mercury is not involved in the Sarpa yoga, but is combust by the Sun. The issues can be ego problems and the likes. The second Upapada is in Pisces and the second lord therefrom is Mars who is in kendra to the sarpa yoga.
Now note that Saturn is the eighth lord and along with Rahu he has graha dristi on Venus who is forming a curse of spouse from past life. This happens in the second house and we must analyze the lord and karaka for the remedy. The Sun was strong enough to give marriage in the first place due to its lordship of the Upapada hence she can worship Dakshinamurti-Shiva to overcome the problems.
Advise her to worship Dakshinamurti to overcome the curse. Ask her to seek a priest to receive a mantra for the same.
In addition as the curse is that of partner, the best advise to give her is that she must help a couple get married, such as offer money (second house) or donate a bed/sofa to the couple to start their married life in a good way.
Notice that the curse of spouse has been running since 1999, and the dasa/antara of the planets involved in the curse (venus, saturn and rahu) as well as those in the sarpa yoga will carry the problems. Specifically her two broken marriages have fallen in that time and can be timed with the dasa.
Moola Dasa (dasa showing the root of events - past karma):
Sani MD: 1999-07-25 (21:30:00) - 2010-07-25 (17:11:08)
Antardasas in this MD:
Sani: 1999-07-25 (21:30:00) - 2001-01-07 (14:09:59)
Ket: 2001-01-07 (14:09:59) - 2001-05-31 (21:27:22)
Mang: 2001-05-31 (21:27:22) - 2002-03-17 (13:02:43)
Rah: 2002-03-17 (13:02:43) - 2004-06-18 (19:19:27)
Chan: 2004-06-18 (19:19:27) - 2004-09-26 (1:19:25)
Sukr: 2004-09-26 (1:19:25) - 2007-02-11 (6:26:01)
Sury: 2007-02-11 (6:26:01) - 2007-10-14 (10:26:16)
Budh: 2007-10-14 (10:26:16) - 2009-10-09 (13:26:37)
Guru: 2009-10-09 (13:26:37) - 2010-07-25 (17:11:08)
The last among the problematic periods is ending this February, and aptly the remedy for the same has been given now.
I hope this helps.
Yours sincerely,
–
Visti Larsen
February 4th, 2007 at 9:38 am
Dear Guruji, Namaskar
Given that the Ishta Devata is indicated by Shani, and Shani is involved in the curse, can we also deduce that the Ishta Devata requires propitiation in order to let go of the curse?
Thank you,
Samir
February 4th, 2007 at 5:28 pm
Dear Samir, Namaskar
Very good inference. In fact it shows that the Ishta Devata is punishing the person so that they become more spiritual.
Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen.
February 4th, 2007 at 5:30 pm
+ posted on behalf of nitin sahadevan +
Dear Vistiji,
Thanks for a comprehensive and really enlightening analysis of this problem. I will ask her to be guided accordingly. A beautiful thing you said [have said earlier as well] is how the time has “arrived” for asking an important question to the right persons [you Gurus are those persons through me, the agent]. Indeed the next sub-dasha is that of the Sun starting Feb 2007, who can help her in this problem. This is another ‘vidya’ which I am keen to know more about.
One understanding I have, which I think may be wrong after reading your message is that I felt that the Arudha is what is perceived by the world or the image cast on the world at large. By that logic, I felt that the Arudha of the self [ascendant] is how one is perceived by the world, even though in reality it may be different. I give you my case. My ascendant is Scorpio and Mars is in the second house. My AL is Capricorn with the Moon in it. Time and again people tell me that I am reserved, peace loving and pleasant [the last two I am sure is because of the waxing Moon's blessing in the AL, in addition to the dictum that unafflicted Jupiter and Moon always 'protect' the image]. In reality I am short-tempered, egoistic and hardly pleasant [my close relatives and friends will tell you], which matches the Martian tendencies of the actual lagna and the proximity of its lord to it[?]. Except that while learning anything, be that any discipline, I commit “shaashtang” to anyone, any age or temperament.
So “Remember that ‘all things arudha are all things tangible’, i.e. you can measure them or see some formal agreement of the same.” is something I implore you to explain a little more.
Also how does Rahu have graha dhristi on Venus, is it because they are in trines?
In any event this has been a eye-opener on more than one aspect and I honestly thank all [yourself, Anuragji and Yishunji] for the kind posts.
With Sincere regards
nitin
February 4th, 2007 at 6:06 pm
Dear Nitin, Namaskar
Arudha is not just perception, it can act VERY REAL in our lives. But, its different from truth and is like a veil put over our eyes. See, look at the president of a country. Truth is that (s)he is a human being like you or certain human proportions. However, that president is given a title and status. This title and status is not just a perception, it is in fact real and tangible. However, if you were to have seen a baby picture of that president could you say that (s)he is a president? If during their presidency this president were to visit a remote tribe having no international connections, could that tribe recognize the person as a president? NO. They would recognize a ‘person’ possibly standing in a fancy suit or the hunting gear he may have worn for the occasion. But the title isn’t recognizable without the ornaments associated with it.
So also your wife is your wife to you and the legal department of the government. On the street who would know that this lady is any different from another lady unless she bears the marks of a wedding ring or sindoor on the head? Truth is she is still a lady… Maya is that she is your wife.
That my friend is Arudha… its the titles and status that is put like a veil over our minds. Thats why the word ‘perception’ is too vague to cover arudhas, and really an arudha shows the titles, status and positions we hold in society.
So, Upapada differentiates your spouse from all the partners you have in life, as (s)he has been given that specific title and thus an arudha in your life.
I hope this helps.
p.s. Yes Rahu has aspect on the 7th, 5th, 9th and 2nd houses from his sign.
Yours sincerely,
–
Visti Larsen
February 5th, 2007 at 1:25 pm
!Om Gurave Namah!
Dear Visti ji, Namaskar!
This was an enlightening email.
As UL changes (jump 8 houses for next vivah), does A7 also changes(jump N houses for next relationship/partnership)?
Also, In the given chart Jupiter is also cursed (Sun and Rahu), althought not as severly as Venus. But you suggested the remedy for curse of Venus and not Jupiter.
Can you explain the reasoning?
Thank you for you continued guidance.
Warm Regards,
Pranav
February 5th, 2007 at 1:26 pm
Dear Pranav, Namaskar
I was actually looking for any other curses in the chart. I guess i missed this dristi of the Sun. The curse of Brahmin is much more terrible as brhaspati is retrograde.
The remedy must be sought through Venus which is the karaka of the seventh, but Venus is involved in another curse. So I guess its a deadlock of sorts and Lakshmi must be appeased no matter what. I would still advise the worship of Dakshinamurty though as a blessing is there for her to overcome the curse of spouse which is a problem right now.
Good catch.
Reg. A7, it seems Kalidasa is clear about its usage, but i cannot comment at present.
Yours sincerely,
February 20th, 2007 at 6:58 pm
|| OM NAMAH SHIAVYE ||
Namaste Vistiji,
Regarding the avastha of lord of UL, I’d seen one chart where UL falls in 9th house (bhagya) also housing HL and GL but the lord of UL is debilitated. Here, in this case, one may infer that spouse would be from a low status family, but then what about its placement along with HL and GL. I understand a) this would bring luck in natives life after marriage and b) status shall rise after marriage coz of placement of HL there.
Am I going right.
Kindly comment.
Regards,
Naresh
February 22nd, 2007 at 6:12 pm
Dear Naresh, Namaskar
The prediction about low status is the correct one. The conjunction with HL/GL just shows that wealth/promotions can follow the marriage, just as you have inferred.
Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen
February 27th, 2007 at 9:55 pm
Dear Visti,
If one has papakartari yoga on his AL and not on his Lagna, can we deduct that his image AND self-esteem would be adversely affected /rather than physical health/?
What can be done to ‘cure’ this hard judgment, which, although not present in native’s ‘Lagna-reality-potential-resources’,
IS a cross difficult to bear for one’s lifetime? Would you say that what happens to one’s AL can overpower that of Lagna?
It’s my impression that AL significations are closer to conscious mind- say, THE first layer of consciousness, easily bringing awareness of its existance to the native. Next step would be Lagna awareness, somewhere between conscious-unconscious area- dominance of AL in ONE’S MIND can make the task of self-actualisation /true-self/ pretty difficult, and coming later in life, if ever. This is my understanding- I’d like to hear your oppinion on this facet of AL.
This seems a crucial Q in my oppinion- I’d say that the root-cause for the most therapies, counselling, is distortion caused by AL primarily. For that reason I guess that distortion caused on Lagna level is more diffucult to deal with- being farther fromthe consc. mind.
Anna
February 27th, 2007 at 10:36 pm
Dear Anna, Namaskar
The problem is that the Arudha is indeed closer to ones mind, just as the title of Bill Clinton as ex-president is more prominent to us, than other aspects of his life are.
Arudha lagna CAN give health problems. Jaimini has been very specific about this and he asks us to analyze planets in the second and seventh from the arudha lagna to determine the diseases. See without Arudha your presence in this world is non-existant… it is the lifeforce of the Moon which has been infused into the self (lagna).
Now, the problem is that EVERYONE is running after their own Arudha. Visti Larsen has Pisces Arudha lagna, so he is always running after the Maharishis and trying to get just a small drop of their knowledge.
So yes, to answer your question the Arudha lagna is very important. I’ve tried to show this in my lectures on arudha lagna. In fact I pay a lot of attention to the arudha lagna as this REALLY shapes the persons life.
Yours sincerely, Visti
February 27th, 2007 at 11:44 pm
Dear Visti,
OK, AL state ‘can’ create illness. The flow of my thoughts does go twrd ‘psychological’ explanation,indeed- can we say that ilnesses indicated by AL are more ‘psychosomatic’ in nature than ‘inherited’. Following the same line of reasoning that AL influences shape psych. make-up of a person, imposition of enviromental forces, upbringing…
I do believe that all illnesses are at least partly psychosomatic, but those indicated by AL much more so, would you agree with that? And, after all, the Moon is the ruler of AL.
Like, we say ‘the habit is the second nature’- if we put all AL determitances instead of ‘habit’ we get very powerful /second/nature which can and does dominate one’s life/areas of life. I hope I was better able this time to
articulate my thought pattern wrt AL.I feel the previous post was misledingly over-exclusive of physical manifestations /which go hand in hand with psychological ones/
Now after your comment, I have an impression that you are not so inclined to consider physical-psychological delination in this matter./which seems to me very helpful in understanding gross concept of AL, and avoid kind of’vagueness’ that often acompany it.
Regards,
Anna
February 28th, 2007 at 7:46 am
Dear Sir
In scorpio lagna. My upapada is Mithuna and AL is Cancer. Upapada lord is mer. placed with jup in dhanu rasi. it means delay marriage and spouse come from low class becouse mer. associated with badhak jup. And spouse come from south direction and distant place.
DOB: 19-01-1972
Time: 4: 30 AM
Place: 34:44 N
78:19 E
Thanks
Govind
February 28th, 2007 at 5:53 pm
Dear Anna, Namaskar
I’m not inclined to see Arudha as purely an effect of our ‘mind’. In fact when i dwell on my learning and understanding I find the concept of ‘psychosis’ and ‘psychosomatic’ health problems as being very limiting.
Let me explain.
Arudha literally means ‘mount’ or that which we are mounting/riding. So when they say that Sri Kali is ’shava-arudha’ it means she is standing on a dead body.
Now heres some sanskrit. The sound ‘ii’ is considered ’shakti-svaroopa’, i.e. the embodiment of the Mother/Goddess. This infused into Shava (lifeless body) produces Shiva (auspicious, favorable, benign, kind). In other words, the mother causes the infusion of life (arudha) in each body (sign).
Hence when Sanjayji teaches about Arudha he always refers to the mother.
Yes, because we are dealing with the mother, moon, etc. we are also dealing with the mind.. But the mother gave you a body also! Can i say that George Bush Jr. is NOT president? He is indeed. His Arudha has bound him to this world as president, dragging his body and soul along with it.
So is it psychosomatic. Maybe that is the right word for it, but still I see my mind (moon, lagna and fifth house) to be quite different from my Arudha. So to me the arudha is the Shakti which keeps us in this world.
Hope this helps.
Yours sincerely, Visti.
February 28th, 2007 at 6:12 pm
Dear Govind, Namaskar
Normally Saturn in the seventh house doesn’t cause delay in marriage, but it WILL if Saturn is in the ninth house or strongly associated with the ninth lord.
adharmābhibhavāt kṛṣṇa praduṣyanti kula-striyaḥ|
strīṣu duṣṭāsu vārṣṇeya jāyate varṇa-saṁkaraḥ||
Translation: When irreligion is prominent in the family, O Krisna, the women of the family become polluted, and from the degradation of womanhood, O descendant of Vrisni, comes unwanted progeny. (BG:1.40)
This is taken from the article on Dharma and Marriage, by Sanjay Rath.
Dharma is seen from the ninth house and adharma arises when the malefics join the ninth house. This has an effect on the marriage according to the Gita and so also we analyze the ninth house in this respect.
In your case Saturn is retrograde and aspects both ninth house and ninth lord, and is also retro in the seventh showing many trials related to getting married. Saturns aspect on the arudha lagna has not helped either in this regard.
To increase dharma the best advise is to:
1) join a spiritual organization.
2) wear a red ruby on the right hand ring finger if Saturn is in ninth house or
3) Wear a blue sapphire/amethyst on the left hand if Saturn aspects the ninth house.
4) Go on a spiritual pilgrimage and seek the Shankaracarya or a similar spiritual head to get the blessings to get married.
The Narayana-antara dasa of Scorpio is coming up soon and the aspect of the Sun on the same will bring the blessings of the Shiva to you with which you can get married. So plan to do the necessary remedies to get married after April 27th this year.
The delay has really set in after Saturn mahadasa started in your chart.
Hope this helps.
Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen.
February 28th, 2007 at 7:16 pm
Dear Visti,
Yes, you clarified this issue- the difference seems to occur on terminology level. Perhaps that makes all AL issues more ‘evasive’ to define and comprehand- on the other hand, that’s the very nature of AL.
I don’t see too much difference btw my Lagna and AL. Ju is in AL Pisces, but is also trine Lagna- that perhaps contributes to my perception of both.
Thanks for the comment. For me, AL is one of the most intriquing issues.
Regaards,
Anna
March 7th, 2007 at 6:50 am
Dear Visti,
Namaskar.
What’s the meaning of Upapada in D-9 chart?
Regards
Babu
March 7th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
Dear Babu, Namaskar
To my knowledge the Arudha of the twelfth house in Navamsa is understood more as Vyayapada i.e. the source of expenses, and being that Navamsa shows our relationships, this can specifically show where our expenses are in relationships.
Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen.
March 7th, 2007 at 12:50 pm
Dear Visti,
How ‘ll we judge it. Whether a benefic/malef ’s good in ul in D-9?
Also if it’s in Kendra /trine / dusthana.
Plz say 2/3 lines.
Regards
Babu
March 7th, 2007 at 1:07 pm
Dear Babu, Namaskar
See planets joined/aspecting the vyayapada and also the signs joining/aspecting. These show where the expenditure will be. This is more telling in the Rasi as we can get a broader spectrum of all the persons expenses.
Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen.
March 10th, 2007 at 1:14 pm
Dear Visti Ji,
Namaskar.
For sustenance of marriage fasting on day indicated by 2nd lord from UL is advised. I have a chart in which AL is 2nd to UL. I remember once you have not approved such remedy as it will amount to giving up one’s Arudha. Please tell then what course of remedy one can take? I am giving details of a lady.
DOB: April 2, 1957, TOB: 17:35:00
Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)
Place: 72 E 11′ 00″, 21 N 46′ 00″
This lady in spite of humiliating and non-cooperative environ is keeping her marraige. Even her children do not value her sacrifice. What do you suggest? Please guide me.
Yours sincerely,
Rajendra.
P.S.: Discussion on your book JF is closed now. How can I write to you about my doubts? Thank you very much for your reply and support.
March 10th, 2007 at 2:52 pm
Dear Rajendra, Namaskar
The book-discussion isn’t closed you can still make posts under it.
I have never advised AGAINST upapada fasting, but i have acknowledged that if the UL and AL are JOINED then fasting can pull down the arudha. So still advise fasting.
Notice that this lady has a curse of Pitris. Saturn is afflicted by Rahu and Mars so the shraddha rites have not been performed properly for her pitris.
This in turn involves Saturn on her arudha lagna which is very bad for the persons reputation and no doubt humiliation is the right word. Rahu who is involved in the curse is joined the upapada and we can see how the marriage has caused hardships in this regard.
Now, here are the steps to choose the mantra:
1) the curse is in the third house, so we have the choice between:
a) Hanuman (mars) or a Vedamurti (ketu) mantra if the lord(s) of the Scorpio are well placed.
2) Rudra if the karaka of the third house is strong.
3) If neither lordship nor KARAKA are strong, then Prajapati is advised for the third house.
So we see that 1a. is applicable and we can advise her a Hanuman mantra.
So, if you know a nice Hanuman mantra, please give it to her so she can start overcoming this curse.
Yours sincerely, Visti
March 11th, 2007 at 8:03 am
Dear Visti Ji,
Namaskar.
Thank you very much for your kind reply. I will advise the lady as suggested by you. I don’t know good mantra for Hanuman. Generally people in my state chant Hanuman Chalisa (written by Tulasidas). Can it be recommended?
May be I did not put my question properly. In the chart I sent UL is 12th from AL. But as you confirm we can advise the native to propitiate the Devata (indicated by 2nd house from UL i.e. AL) to sustain the marriage. You have given nice method to identify the Devata which I will follow.
I will pen down my doubts on the fundamentals of Joytisha later. Thanks for allowing me to do this.
With very warm regards,
yours sincerely,
Rajendra
March 11th, 2007 at 8:39 am
Dear Visti Ji,
Namaskar.
I am sorry to write again. On second reading I have doubts.
(1)You preferred Mars compared to Ketu. Is it because Mars has graha drsti on 3rd (afflicted)house? Afflicted house is 3rd house and hence Ma is also karaka. Hence does it become more important? Ma longitude is more than Ketu but Ketu is conjoined by two planets.
(2) Sa is AK. So her suffering in marraige is more intense. Can we say that? Her maariage took place in Me (pd) of Moon - Sat (AD).
Please clrify.
Thank you very much.
yours sincerely,
Rajendra
March 12th, 2007 at 11:03 am
Dear Rajendra, Namaskar
My mistake, in fact because Mars aspects that Saturn we cannot advise neither Hanuman mantra nor Rudra mantra, instead it must be Prajapati.
Yes i chose Mars over Ketu because he was better placed (kendra, kona, etc), but his aspect and causing the curse should finally be avoided.
A simple mantra is: Om Prajapataye Namah.
Yes you can advise stotras and such as well.
Yes that Saturn does intensify the suffering. Do listen to the recent mp3 on remedies as well.
Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen
March 13th, 2007 at 1:07 pm
Dear Visti Ji,
Namaskar.
Thank you very much for your kind reply. I will advise the lady to chant 3 malas of the mantra. Which time is more beneficial for recitaion ? Morning?
With best regards,
yours sincerely,
Rajendra
March 13th, 2007 at 10:11 pm
Dear Rajendra, Namaskar
Yes.
Yours sincerely, Visti.
March 14th, 2007 at 6:18 am
Dear Visti Ji,
Thanks for your kind advise and support.
With best regards,
Yours sincerely,
Rajendra.
March 26th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
Dear Visti Ji,
Namaskar
It was pleasure of mine that i got linked from this site and learned so much.
Your above article has cleared my doubts about the arudhas.
Based on my reading for the chart of a native i have certain questions as following :
1. What can be predicted if the darapada is 12th to the uppada.
In my understanding it will predict that though there can be love relationship but love marriage will not happen.
the case is that AL and A7 are in the 3rd house from lagna and benefic planets are aspecting it through rashi drishti, so love relationship is there. But UL is in the 4th house from lagna and conjucted with malefics mars and saturn (both are retreogate) and aspected by rahu and ketu through rashi drishti.
Detail are as following
DOB : 06.03.82
TOB : 12:40 PM
Place : Lucknow (India)
Also the venus the karak for marriage is in 8th house.
2. How do we see the arudhas in the divisional chart, we have to see accordingly that in which rashi or house the arudha is placed in rashi chart in the divisional chart, or we have to calculate the arudhas of the divisional chart seperately for the Divisional chart.
Looking forward for your kind response.
with best wishes
Regards
Rahul
March 27th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
Dear Visti Ji,
Namaskar
Wiaitng for your response.
Hope to hear from you.
With best wishes
Regards
Rahul
March 28th, 2007 at 12:08 pm
Dear Rahul, Namaskar
I haven’t forgotten you, but i try to answer questions atleast twice a week.
1) A mismatch between Darapada and Upapada does not necessarily deny a love marriage. But, it can show a conflict in the intimate relationship in the couple.
To confirm a arranged, vs. love marriage i always check for a link between the eighth house and Upapada/seventh house. In this chart eighth lord Saturn is in the Upapada as the eighth lord from Saturn himself is Mars and is joined the Upapada as well. These both point towards an arranged marriage.
The Saturn-Mars combo on the Upapada does tell a significant story about the partner as it shows unmadana yoga, and we must advise fasting on Wednesdays to this person to ensure peaceful married life.
Venus is the second lord from Upapada and is thus the cause of sustenance in the marriage. This alone shows that the relationship can suffer from a lack of intimacy between husband and wife (especially if Ketu is associated with either Hora lagna or second house in navamsa), and this will cause the marriage to be on the rocks due to the eighth house placement.
Again this can be remedied by the fast, but due to the Devabadhaka caused by Jupiter I would strongly ADD that feeding at least seven Brahmins on the date of marriage is a must, as well as reciting the Ishana Shadakshari mantra: Om Namah Shivaaya every morning for atleast 3×108 times using a rudraksha mala.
Performing Shiva tarpana is similarly required and is normally done on a Monday.
2. Arudhas in divisional charts are used the exact same way as in the rasi chart, but their context of use changes. I.e. The A7 would specifically be the arudha of the first wife in the navamsa, but in dasamsa it specifically shows business partners. So the scenario changes slightly.
Also it should be kept in mind that the arudhas also have degrees, which as per Prasna Marga is the same as the bhava-degree, and thus there is a strong following for using the degree of the arudhas to ascertain their amsa positions. However, this has a different use as well, and thus neither of the two opinions are wrong but rather complimentary to each other.
I hope this helps.
Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen.
April 6th, 2007 at 12:10 am
Namaste Sri Vistiji,
If the AL and UL are in 5:9 relationship, but darapada (A7) and Al are in 2:12 relationship, how do we judge?
Also, if lord of UL (my case it is Sun) is cojoined an exalted planet (7th lord Moon) in 5th house, but AL in 4th house has debilitated Saturn conjunct Mercury 9th lord (2nd house to UL), how do we see the affect on marriage during the period of 9th lord( Mercury), since thisis the house of sustenance of marriage.
I’ve one more question related to AL and AK. My AL is with AK(mercury) in 4th house conjuct debilitated Saturn (though it has neecha bhange as Sat is exalted in Navamsha). Does it mean bad reputation during Saturn and mercury dasas and antardasas? I’ve retro jupiter aspect on 4th house (AL, debiltated Sat, Mer) from 10th house and this jupiter is vargottama.
I would really appreciate your feedback.
Thanks, prema
April 6th, 2007 at 9:58 am
Dear Visti ji,
Namaskar
Thanks for your enlightining reply.
But one understanding i have (it may be wrong after reading your reply) is that there is also a yoga between, UL lord and 5th lord in 8th house.Yes by placement its bad to be in 8th,but venus is exalted in D9 and gaining stregnth and more over,jupiter 7th lord is in 5th,which is aslo connecting 5th and 7th house.
Venus and Mercury are in A5 itslef.
So does this combinations does not lead to a love marraige.
Plz correct me if I am wrong.
Looking forward for your response.
With best wishes
Regards
Rahul Goel
April 7th, 2007 at 9:35 pm
Hi Visti(vyasa),
Can we have a class on timing of events ; like marriage etc. and also on birth time recitification
regards
Prem
April 16th, 2007 at 6:03 am
Dear Visti Ji,
Namaskar
Waitng for your response.
Hope to hear from you.
Also if we can learn about the inter relationship of arudhas it will be very much helpful, Like in my chart the AL is in 5th house conjucting venus and A5 is in lagna conjucting mars. so can we treat it as parivartna as we treat if the planets changes thier signs in the chart.
With best wishes
Regards
Rahul
April 16th, 2007 at 6:18 am
Dear Visti Ji,
Namaskar
In accordance to the above mail, I also request you to tell me that as you have told that for 2nd marriage we will skip to UL2 i.e 8th from UL1 and for 3rd marraige 8th from therefrom.
So the native above have been in love with someone but left him due to family reason and got engaged with somone else thru family wish, but due to some problems that marriage could not take place and she again got back to her love again, but the things are still not working.
So in this case weather we will jump to UL3 as it will be her 3rd chance (first being love with someone, second being engaged to some other person, third again back to love) for seeing timing of marraige and sutainity of marriage, or will it be UL1 only as she is with her first love.
Also what does UL in D-9 chart reveals.
With best wishes
Regards
Rahul
April 21st, 2007 at 12:28 pm
Dear Prema and Rahul, Namaskar
Prema
A mismatch between the darapada and arudha lagna just points towards a lack of intimacy in the partnership, or a lack of social interaction.
Reg. your second question a weak second house from UL indicates disease affecting the spouse.
Yes, debilitated planets on the AL give problems with ones status and reputation.
Rahul
Planets joining the Upapada itself will dominate always. However, you may prefer something else.
Don’t look at the conjunction of arudhas or their interchange of houses as yogas. Arudhas don’t form yogas per say, but their lords do. The placement of the arudhas from each other does tell about the persons relationship with other people though.
We skip to each new UL (by counting the eighth from each) for every NEW vivaha. Sometimes we can come to the same persons again depending on how the planets indicate the various people.
Yes, Jump to UL3 and see if there is a link between UL1 and Ul3.
The arudhas in the divisions reveal something quite different.
Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:40 pm
Dear Visti Ji,
Namaskar
Thanks again for ur reply.
Yes, there is a relationship B/w UL3 and UL1, as UL3 is placed in 6th house with scorpio rashi, its lord mars is sitting in 4th house i.e UL1. But than it again shows the arranged marriage if we consider the Mars as UL3 lord, but if we consider the ketu as its lord than it is sitting in 7th house and being exalted i.e in 2nd house to UL3, so can we analyse it as she will be lucky third time.
Also it shows arraged marriage if we consider mars as UL3 lord, So there will be again problem……..now I get greatly confused.
With best wishes
Rahul
April 26th, 2007 at 2:26 pm
Dear Rahul, Namaskar
If its the same relationship then how can it suddenly be arranged? If the lord is strong then it indicates better luck with this relationship.
Yours sincerely, Visti
April 26th, 2007 at 2:50 pm
Dear Visti Ji,
Namaskar
I could not get you, that what you wanna ask ? [If its the same relationship then how can it suddenly be arranged?]
I think there is some confusion in my words.
I am trying to say that as you have said to see the relationship b/w UL1 and UL3, so there is a relationship b/w them by the lord of UL3 placed in UL1.
Now, the relationship she was having was the love affair, so now also she is in love affair with same person, but according to placement of planets UL3 also shows arranged marriage, because as told by you lord of UL3 is conjucted saturn which is 8th house lord. So it also shows arrange marriage.
Hence i said that this again shows problem……..In that matter i am confused.
Your guidance will certainly help me in evaluating.
With Best wishes
Rahul
May 8th, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Dear Visti Ji,
Namaskar.
This has reference to my query (post 20) and your guidance vide post 24.
The lady is doing the mantra jaapa as advised by you.
Can she do the fasting as well on Tuesday, upto sunset, for sustenance of marraige? This lady is strictly vegetarian so she doesn’t have any problems for doing puja.
Thank you very much.
With warm regards,
Rajendra
May 10th, 2007 at 4:24 pm
Dear Visti,
A7 and Upapada tell us the story of relationship- both should be favourable for marital bliss. How would you deal with the cases where A7 is favourable and UL is not? Or, in the case of second marriage where 8th H from A7 is good, but eighth from UL is not?/or bad.
We all know of long romantic relationships/love affairs and short marriages.
Can that be avoided by simply choosing the better ‘form’ of relationship. If two can live in harmony unmarried /and procreation is not important/ and avoid inevitable problems
re to marriage discord, would it not be wiser if the two ‘chose’ more harmonious form of communion?
This seems particularly desirable in ’second marriage’ For ex. Kuja Dosha, becomes less harsh later in life, but in general, little marital bliss, no matter what, could be expected ever. If at the same time love relationship offers warm feelings, good sexual compatibility, and better structure of time and form, I would not suggest marriage. Marriage with it’s own burden can crash the best love liaison.
I have heard of this situation too many times to ignore it. One form or another- when ‘long happy friendly’ becomes more and more less of everything.
I’d love to hear your opinion on this.
Love,
Anna
May 11th, 2007 at 1:50 pm
Dear Anna, Namaskar.
We should prefer a marital relationship always. The upapada shows more than just your spouse but also how you are giving to the world at large. This giving later leads you closer to the opportunity for moksha as the Upapada is calculated based on the 12th house. Thus they say that we can get moksha if we pay our debts to God and the ancestors and this is done through the upapada.
Instead if we were to choose the Darapada then rebirth becomes too easy and this is because rebirth is seen from the seventh house from which the darapada originates.
So, all those who wish to marry or not, please fast on days of the Upapada so this giving can happen naturally, and further this will ensure good relationships in the future should you wish for them.
Yours sincerely, Visti.
May 11th, 2007 at 3:20 pm
Dear Rajendra, Namaskar.
Yes she can do the fasting.
Yours, Visti.
May 15th, 2007 at 9:54 am
JAI SRIRAM
Dear Visti,
Can you please tell me the time of marriage?
Thanks,
S.Venkatesh
May 22nd, 2007 at 12:59 pm
Dear Vistiji,
I have been learning vedic astrology since nearly two years through whatever texts I could find on the internet. I am still very confused on the UL and A7. I seek your guidance. My birth details are December 5, 1980 9:07am Ahmedabad, India.
As you can see, I have a Dhanu lagna and am currently running Sa-Ma. I started astrology in Sa-Mo during the current transit of Sa in 8th in cancer and Mo being in 11th guaranteeing astrology study.
UL: with Ke, Capricorn, 2nd house
A7: with A3, Aries, 5th house
I have had one serious relationship that started January 2000 in Sa-Ve. The lady was my brother’s chilhood friend but I also got introduced to her somewhere around 1991-92. The relationship was a long distance one and we used to meet once in 4months for a few days. I completed my graduation in 2003 July and then went back to Delhi(hometown). Our relationship started turning sour because of my sexual needs and her disinterest. June 2004 I left Delhi to join my first job in Bombay. So, again it was long distance relationship. A major breakup scene out of the blue happened in February end 2005 and we split but immediately within a day she decided to continue and I said yes. The relationship dragged on from there till eventually I had to end it around December 25th 2005. The emotional intensity within our relationship was very high. We did talk about getting married but at times I dont think I was completely sure and as it progressed my decision changed. Also, there have been a lot of telepathic moments during our relationship and exist till date since she hasn’t stopped contacting me. Her birth details btw are: Feb 23, 1982 00:10hours Jaipur, India.
I got completely involved in vedic astrology post our breakup and I thus understand why I had to go through all this. Even analyzing my own shastiamsha the Moola dasha if started from lagna shows Ju-sa both of which are in bad shastiamshas.
My questions to you are:
(1) Should I now change the UL to the 8th from it (second marriage consideration) for my marriage? What about A7?
(2) Can you shed any light on my marital bliss/key challenges. In my analysis I have come out with a December 2009 timeframe for my marriage possibly the third week considering the fact that Sa-Ju is running, Sa lord or UL in Rasi, Ju aspecting UL in Navamsha etc. Ju also is with UL in Tithi Pravesha. But I am unable to analyze marital bliss/challenges. Request your guidance on analysis and developing my understanding.
(3) This is not related to the post, but my Dharma devta being Su and Ishta devta being Ju. Could you possibly tell me what mantras I should use to further both my material and spiritual goals? Also, I cannot understand when some texts say “the position of rashi of the dharma devta indicates how it manifests in your life”. Can you tell about this in my case?
I understand I might have asked for a lot. Though, I am in a very tough phase and would sincerely like to learn and improve my life for the better. Thank you very much.
Regards,
Tarun
May 28th, 2007 at 1:44 pm
Dear Tarun, Namaskar.
1. Yes, she was your first upapada, as there was a long term relationship and there was a strong emotional bond. Its not worth commenting on A7 in this context.
2. The key issue that will arise is again the issue of being physically separated from the partner, as the next upapada is in Leo, and the second lord therefrom is Mercury in twelfth house. You will have to settle in a foreign country for this union to work out.
My estimation based on Narayana dasa and Naisargika dasa shows a timeframe of 2010 being the time for marriage.
3. Jupiter also lords the ninth from karakamsa, and hence can be treated as both Dharma and Istha Devata. Shiva mantra, especially in the form of Sadashiva is best no doubt. Make sure you worship Hanuman regularly as well for your fifth lord Mars.
Jupiter is in your tenth house, so its in your work that you will see God coming into your life.
Yours sincerely, Visti
May 29th, 2007 at 1:39 am
Respected Visti Ji
Can I try to decipher this one?
Dear Tarun (Hmmm same name!)
Did you happen to notice the Kala Amrita Yoga in Your chart. I believe that you need to break that Yoga first.
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Visti Ji, as per your lecture on remedies I thought that if these yogas exist we need to remedy first?
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The remedy is from worship of mahavidya for Ma or Jupiter in your case. Visti Ji, which one would you advise. I know that you mentioned that we try to avoid malefics.
The 7th lord mercury is under a severe curse from Ra, Su and Sa. I think these things need to be remedied also. Since Moon and Lagna have the same amount of planets in quadrents i think we should start the moola dasa from Moon. If done so we can see that you were running Ra (curse) till 2002. Ketu (joins the UL) till 2005 and then Su which is joined the 7th lord to finally get the breakup. Mars which is placed strong in the lagna can be used to break this curse too.
Lets look at Narayana Dasa for the same as taught by Visti ji in his previous lessons. As you can see that you were running Ar Narayana dasa from 1998 to 2006. Now 1st 10th and 8th are important. So the 8th house has the curse of Mercury. And exactly on the onset of the Le Antardasa you had the breakup i.e. 2005 dec, Le has sun who joins the 8th house and the curse fructified. June 2004 as you mentioned was Ge antardasa and that activated the curse again. Now you mentioned the end of Feb 2005 and that is Cn antasdasa which houses Ra.
So both the remedies I believe should lie in the worship of Ma preferably in the Mahavidya form.
Visti Ji your comments to my humble try at the analysis would be a boon.
Regards
Tarun Garg
May 31st, 2007 at 7:39 am
Dear Vistiji, Tarun
Namashkar. Thank you so much for your response. Learning by oneself does have some serious limitations, I am glad I could approach you for guidance. Vistiji, I am a little unclear on one thing. You said I would have to settle in a foreign country for my marriage to work out. Do you mean I alone should settle in a foreign country or I settle in a foreign country with my wife? I heard in your lecture that the planet in the 9th from karakamsa is to be treated to be the Dharma devta and if the bhava doesn’t contain any planet then we look at the lord. So, does this mean that if the bhava 9th from karakamsa and 12th from karakamsa have the same lordship we should give preference to it? Yes, I was listening to your lectures last week too and came to know Sadashiva would be the right choice here. Do mean the mantra: “Om Bhurbhuva Svah Sambasadashivaaya Namah”? or should it be without bhurbhuvasvah? I know of the akshara concept but I can’t seem deduce how to apply it. I was listening to one of Sanjayji’s lectures where is actually mentioned that neither ‘Om’ nor ‘Bhur Bhuva Svaha’ should be chanted without mantra diksha. But is the 14 akshara of Sadashiva not a prasiddha mantra? Vishitiji, it would be very nice if you could give us all a lecture on what mantras are prasiddha and what are not. More importantly, guidance on how each mantra should be practiced would be a big help. I know the sadashiva mantra should be started on Thursday and one mala every morning at sunrise. But that’s all I know. And, that we should always chant a ganesh mantra before it. Can I have your thoughts on this?
Tarun thank you for you analysis. Yes I did notice the Kala amrita yoga in my chart. And, last week only through Vistiji’s lecture I came to know that I can worship Baglamukhi Mahavidya for Mars. I did find out the mantra for Baglamukhi here (http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/dasmahavidya_mantra8.php). Is this the right one? Like I said, I would really appreciate a guidance on how to practice this mantra. If you could also help with the same Vistiji.
I did notice Me severely aspected by Su, Ra and Sa. I do not know of the signification of this curse. What does it imply?
I am not very clear on the Moola dasha concepts. Tarun, you said there are equal number of planets in quadrents from the Moon and Lagna. I don’t see that in the D60. Additionally, the timeframes that Moola dasha from lagna give me seem to be very accurate with key themes going on in my life. For example, Ju-Ra gave me a totally unexpected drop year in college. In, Ju-Ke my entire self was intensely involved in a research project. I barely interacted with people during that time. Ju-Su gave me the fruits of the labor when it got selected in an international conference.Ju-Sa thats currently running has tested my endurance to its limits giving me a sudden drop in career, sorrow, single minded pursuit of vedic astrology. Uptil last week, during vimshottari Sa-Ma-Sa I have been spending literally every waking moment doing vedic astrology roughly 12-15 hours everyday. Oddly, my entire life has been a collection of well defined themes requiring very strenous effort towards that theme. So, are you really sure I should start the Moola dasha from Moon?
I thank you again for helping me out. I really appreciate it. May God bless you all for sharing such divine knowledge with other people.
Warm Regards,
Tarun
June 4th, 2007 at 10:14 am
Dear Tarun and Tarun, Namaskar
There are extremely many Prasiddha mantras, and you should practice the 14 syllable mantra that you mentioned.
As for Mahavidya. Are you vegetarian? Don’t go finding Mahavidya mantras from the internet. At least if you wanto find some, look into the scriptures for them or ask a local priest who is familiar with the same.
Bagalamukhi requires strict celibacy and isn’t exactly apt for men in the marital age. Also we must see which Mahavidya is best suited based on the Moon as well… If you cannot understand the mother then how can you benefit from her worship? Here the Moon is joined Venus (kamalatmika) and Jupiter is in twelfth from her (Tara). Mars is not strongly associated with the Moon here as Mars is not in the full moon signs (1st/7th, 2nd/12th, 6th/8th) from the Moon… thus no moonlight. Best advise would be Kamalatmika or Tara, and that too Tara as she is lagna lord as well. So find a Tarini sadhaka. Good luck.
Yours sincerely, Visti.
June 4th, 2007 at 2:28 pm
Dear all,
plz clarify about karakamsa
atmakaraka in navamasa
take sign as lagna
put all planets according to navamsa rasi or
put all planets according to lagna chart
if karakamsa have exalted venus in seventh and guru (makara) and mars (makara) in 5th what it shows.. i have found this in one chart ..i feel its very auspicious one..
June 5th, 2007 at 4:50 am
OM NAMAH SHIVAAYA
Dear Guru Ji,
Namaskar
Kindly permit me to have some more information with respect to Guru ji’s reply to Shri Rajendar Ji. Discussion number 21.” I have acknowledged that if the UL and AL are JOINED then fasting can pull down the arudha”, If it is so, suppose if some one is having Al in Cancer (only AL) and regularly fasting on all Mondays thinking that fasting on Monday will do good, will this fasting habit pull down his Arudha?
With respects,
Yours Sincerely
Shishya dheena
June 6th, 2007 at 12:50 am
Dear visti, Namaskar
my detail nov 3 ,1972
19 h 15 gmt+4
long 57 E 40, lat 20 S 6
I am trying to find out which upapada I should consider, I was never married but i had strong relationship with the idea of marrying the partner at that time. the first was a girl very different in religion that i met on my way to work(UL in 10H ?) this relationship was broken with a big heartbreak.(ul lord in 8H ?)
The second time I was thinking of marriage was with a girl i met on internet and we use to keep contact using email and phone call as she was living in a distant place.( 2nd UL Lord is Me with A3 ?)
So far if i am correct my 3rd upapada is in 12H and 3rd upapada lord is in my 5th house with moon and Venus. Does 12H means that i meet spouse in foreign land as I am currently living away from home,3rd UL lord in 5h means meeting spouse in a place of education…i live nearby a public library..just guessing if i should make frequent trip there (:-
I will appreciate your response
kind regards
Hari.
June 6th, 2007 at 5:53 am
Namashkar Vistiji,
I just wanted to say a big thank you! God bless.
Warm Regards,
Tarun
June 6th, 2007 at 2:32 pm
Dear Guru Visti,
Greetings!
I am working on a chart that has the 6th and 7th lord Saturn placed in the 10H taurus in the rasi, while being placed in the 2H cancer (retrograde) in the D9. When Sani is the lord of the 7th house, is it natural for the subject to concsciously delay marriage?
You mentioned that the 12th house must be considered to check the foundation of the marriage. In the rasi, if the 12th lord is placed with the Upapada, does it indicate early death of husband/wife? What if the 2H from Upapada is a kendra tenanted by functional benefics? In some text/articles, it connotes long life to the marriage.
Pertaining to the same chart, if ketu is placed in the 12th house of the navamsa, does it strengthen the notion that the subjects husband/wife will die early, or does it indicate the early dissolutio of marriage? or no marriage at all?
Thanks for your time.
June 8th, 2007 at 9:45 pm
Hello Visti,
If lord of the 8th house is in UL and the 8th house from UL happens to be placed in the 8th house from lagna, is it defintely an arranged marriage?
And for love marriages, no co-relation between UL and 8th house is the criteria?
June 11th, 2007 at 2:43 pm
Dear Astroyogi, Hari, Deena, Anthony and Raghu, Namaskar
Astroyogi
The Atmakaraka in Navamsa is called Karakamsa. We can treat this as lagna, as you have done. However, once you use the karakamsa with reference to the rasi chart, then its called Karakamsa-ka… just like ashta-ka-varga.
So we have the following three:
Karaka lagna: Atmakaraka in Rasi
Karakamsa: Atmakaraka in navamsa
Karakamsa-ka: Karakamsa in Rasi
You have asked reg. the last two. Of these i can only comment on the former: Karakamsa.
Here planets in the seventh from Karakamsa shows the desire which caused rebirth. This is not at all auspicious. So Venus exalted in seventh from Karakamsa shows that a strong desire to have good marriage, relationships, comforts, etc. has been the cause of rebirth.
The fifth from Karakamsa shows the mantra/path your atma must follow to gain Atmajnana. This also reveals the best holy order to join. I.e. Jaimini says Mercury indicates one who carries the Danda, i.e. the holy order of Sadhus who carries the Danda. Saturn would indicate Naked Sadhus, whilst Sun indicates those who wear the orange robes, etc.
For us mortals we can pick the method to approach God, i.e. Sun is the Gita, so the person must learn the Gita. Jupiter indicates mastery of one Vedanga, and Mars yuti this shows mastery of Jyotisha (agni).
Dheenadayalan
Yes. Don’t give away your arudha. Instead fast on days of the Upapada to be strong.
Hari
You are right about the first relationship. However, the prasna i conducted shows that your still undergoing your second upapada. Make sure you are fasting on every Saturday from sunrise to sunset to bring the spouse. In your case i would consider Kumbha Vivaha to be performed for the same as the first and second upapadas both show bad end results.
Anthony
In this case Saturn will support the seventh house more than the sixth, as Saturn is in a sign of a different oddity than that of its seventh lordship.
But, is it joined the arudha lagna or aspecting the same? This can cause the native to think like a bachelor and thus delay marriage.
When the twelfth lord is in the third house, it will always join the Upapada, and this is not a problem, and can give a foreign spouse if anything. Is Venus well placed from Arudha lagna? Venus here is the lord of Upapada and if badly placed from Arudha lagna the native may reject relationships (venus) and marriage (upapada) all together.
Ketu in the twelfth house in navamsa can cause considerable anger/violence in the marriage, but can’t give premature demise unless associated strongly with Mars… and then the native may in fact kill their spouse.
Raghu
When analysing the prospect of arranged marriage, we are not concerned with the eighth lord from UL unless we are analysing the influence of the second ’spouse’ in the marriage. But yes, a strong influence of the eighth lord, mrityupada, or eighth lord from Saturn on the Upapada/lord will bring arranged marriage.
Yours sincerely, Visti.
June 11th, 2007 at 6:54 pm
Dear Visti , Namaskar
I am pleased to read your feedback. I am however confused, was the second relationship mentioned not considered as second upapada. So far I know i ended that relationship abruptly
is there a way to determine the duration of one upapada ?
thanks
Hari
June 12th, 2007 at 4:56 am
OM NAMAH SHIVAAYA
Dear Guru ji, Namaskar,
Thank you Guru ji. i request Guru ji’s permission to know about one more thing, which i have forgot to ask in my previous mail is about the effect of fasting on planet’s day conjoining Al. For example as said in earlier post (No.51), if some one is having Al in Cancer conjoining a planet say Venus and regularly fasting on all Fridays just like that thinking that fasting on Frigays will do good, will this fasting habit also pull down his conjoined Arudha?
with respects.
Yours Sincerely,
shishya dheena
June 12th, 2007 at 9:48 am
Dear Hari and Dheena, Namaskar
Hari
What to do, when an upapada has two lords, it can itself give two relationships. I relied on the prasna to tell which upapada you were undergoing.
Dheena
Planets joined the Arudha will not have the same effect.
Yours sincerely, Visti.
June 12th, 2007 at 6:04 pm
Dear Visti,
I had a divorce so I am on my second UL now..falling in cancer with debilitated mars there…also conjoining my AL.Should I interpret the result from cancer for second marriage and also its lord moon joining ketu with no benific aspect falling on it except for rasi dristi of mars . can we interpret that I will have problems in my second marriage too?What would be the analysis also HL has ketu in it and you have mentioned that ketu in HL gives problems in marriage.Would it apply to second marriage or holds for the first?Please clear my doubts.
Thanks
Shreeya
June 12th, 2007 at 6:05 pm
Sorry for not mentioning the dob-
19-6-74
4:34 pm
muktsar(punjab)
July 17th, 2007 at 5:54 am
Visti:
Your website is a wealth of information, and I have been absorbing it for at least a year. But there is one question I would like to ask you regarding the relationship in my chart between AL, UL, and A7.
First, I am male and Cancer rising; Born May 3, 1982, 12:00 noon in Niskayuna, NY, USA.
My AL is in 3rd in Virgo, conjoined Mars and Saturn, which I understand may not be a very good thing, as they are both first-rate malefics. Mars is push forward, Saturn is pull back, so I feel I am struggling always.
UL is in 10th in Aries, conjoined Sun, which is 8th away from AL. As I understand, AL and UL are not well placed in a 6/8 relationship, so I have started fasting on Tuesdays. Haven’t noticed any difference yet, but will keep it up.
A7 is in 11th in Taurus, conjoined Mercury, which is 2nd from UL, and Mercury is also lord of AL.
Venus, lord of A7, is in 9th in Pisces, 7th from AL.
So, these are my questions, after all that set-up.
AL is 6 houses away from UL, which is not considered good, but Lord of UL, Mars, is not only conjoined AL, but also aspects it via graha drishti. Is the lord of UL in AL, aspecting AL considered good? Does it cancel the 6/8 relationship, or simply change things? Is Saturn’s presence there bad?
Sun is exalted in 10th, which is UL. But since Mars, lord of UL, is in a Great Enemy’s sign, conjoined Saturn, is spouse from low family? Or is exalted Sun in 10th conjoined UL significant in determining nature of spouse?
Lord of AL is 9 houses from AL, in A7 (Taurus). Its lord, Venus, is in 7th from AL (and exalted). Is Mercury giving good results to A7 as AL lord? Is exalted Venus as lord of A7 significant, or am I making too much of it?
I understand that this a great many questions, but I would appreciate it if you could shine some light on the complete picture; i.e. what these arudha/arudha lord relationships are adding up to. I find it much easier to read other people’s charts than my own, and would be grateful for your input.
OM NAMA NARAYANA
EHW
August 24th, 2007 at 7:15 am
my darapada and upapada are same in sagitarrus along with moon and 7th house to upapada is mercury jupiter and sun .mine is tula lagna upapada and darapada in 3rd house and saturn and mars is in 11th house from lagna rahu 1n 12th house from lagna how is my marriage life arranged or love
September 11th, 2007 at 8:28 pm
Dear Shreya, EHW, Manju and Supraja, Namaskar.
Shreya
I didn’t see your chart but here are my comments.
HL is seen in navamsa to see the effects of the conjugal life. Yes it can affect all marriages/relationships, but only provided that there is a link between the planets associated with HL and the house indicated by the spouse in navamsa. I.e. if Ketu is joined HL and aspects the seventh house, the first marriage is lacking conjugal life. Similarly see second house for second spouse.
Yes, you must see the 8th from UL for EVERYTHING reg. second spouse and marriage.
The second from that position must be seen for the troubles in marriage. The UL itself indicates the nature of the spouse though. Debilitated planets may make him/her disinterested in marriage.
EHW
The Arudha lagna is your professional life and career. With lord of UL joined the AL it shows that wife or her family (specifically a brother) could inhibit you and your career.
The sixth/eighth relationship shows a problem where you may feel inimical towards your spouse.
Planets joined the Upapada dominate the family standing, and here it shows a strong political connection.
The link between AL and A7 shows srimantah yoga.
Now, heres and issue. Mars and Saturn joined the Arudha lagna is highly inauspicious. The best thing you can do is worship Surya in the form of Mars or Saturn, i.e. Vivasvan and Varuna to overcome this.
Since Vivasvan is indicated by Mars, and Mars is the karaka for the third house, we can make this third house auspicious through his worship.
Hence, my advise is to recite this mantra: Om Hram Ghrini Vivasvate Namah|. Start from a Sunday morning at sunrise and recite it at least 108 times a day.
Do let us know how life goes after this.
Manju
Normally Upapada assoicated with Darapada shows love marriage. But, a strong association with the eighth house, A8 and eighth from Saturn can still show arranged marriage. Best out of three.
Supraja
Heres a very simple analysis of the chart:
This is Taurus lagna and the badhaka sthana is Capricorn. Now watch for any tamasic grahas aspecting it as they will bring asatya and the person can in such a situation suffer quite a lot.
Rahu and Venus have Rasi dristi, among which Rahu is quite inauspicious. Now analyze Rahu - he is placed in the seventh house and shows that this ‘asat’ will manifest in relationships/marriage. Because it is Rahu this can give cheating/lying in these matters.
Now, Rahu happens to be tenth lord, and when an upachaya lord goes to the seventh house its a highly unwanted situation, and can delay marriage due to excessive sensual-attachment to the opposite sex and guarantees either love relationship or one highly dominated by the natives own choice.
As the Upapada is also in the tenth house it shows that the particular partner in question could be related to work, and with retrograde Jupiter there being another upachaya lord, it shows that this marriage will not happen and the partner (jupiter) will change his mind.
Also a careful note is that with Rahu in the seventh it shows heartbreak as the partner does share the same affection with the native.
And thus in Capricorn Narayanadasa, which is the badhakastahana, and the antaradasas of capricorn and aquarius these issues happened.
The second Upapada is in Virgo and has no connection with the first upapada, its upachaya lords or the badhaka. In other words this Upapada is out of trouble and ALSO out of her eyesight. Some people just can’t see a good thing, even if it were to bite them.
Tell her that she will be unhappy in any relationship that SHE chooses on her own, and instead she is likely to benefit ALOT from an arranged marriage. You can see the description of spouse from Virgo where her Rajayoga is. Further she should perform a Kumbha Vivaha puja after which she will be able to get married.
To this she should add fasting on every Saturday and worship Sri Balabhadradeva with the mantra: Om Namo Bhagavate Balabhadraaya|
As for her job security, do analyze her tenth house from Moon based on the lectures on this website.
Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen
September 12th, 2007 at 4:16 pm
Dear Visti jee,
Here is birth details of a very pious brahmin lady who is undergoing divorce. For some reason the husband doesn’t want to give divorce. She has 2 kids from the current marriage.
Date: April 14th 1971, 9.53AM
Place - Bangalore, India.
Is there any possibility of her 2nd marriage? If yes, when that might be?
September 13th, 2007 at 11:46 am
Dear Vijay, Namaskar.
Pious ladies normally don’t divorce.
Yes there is a possibility of a second marriage as the nodes haven’t influenced the first upapada. Know that with darapada aspecting the second from Upapada, and being placed in the eighth from it, the opportunity for a second marriage is actually motivating the divorce of the first. The second could happen very soon after the first.
The strength of Mercury (second lord from Upapada) in rasi and navamsa shows the delay in getting divorced.
Yours sincerley, Visti
September 13th, 2007 at 1:59 pm
Dear Visti jee,
I sincerely pray - may you get firmly established in Jyotisham. May lord grant you that divya dristhi which our great Rishi’s of yore have. May Lakshmi’s blessings be with you all the time.
Namaskaram!
Vijay
September 14th, 2007 at 10:50 am
Hi Vistiji,
I had posted a query, but it got deleted. I donno why and how. Please let me know if there are any rules for posting a query. I would like to know the effects of Upa pada in my chart. My UL has Venus in it and AL is 2nd from UL. I am Gemini Lagna Merc+Sun in Virgo, Moon+Sat in 2nd, Venus in 3rd, Jupiter in 10th, and Rahu in 6th.
Does Venus in 12th of AL denote rejection by husband? What are the factors that is delaying my marrige? Pls can you say?
JL
September 14th, 2007 at 6:18 pm
hi visti,
i´ve been giving astrological consultation of vedic charts since 2005, in Brazil, much of it i´ve learned in the internet. your site and other jyotish charts are very handful to people who don´t have money to go to india and to study directly with a guru. I hope you´ll get in your next life the reward from this work.
I think that the proliferation of jyotish sites and the divulgation of the ancient wisdom of the sages to the West by internet is comparable to the cultural revolution of the sixties, but in another way.
i´ve read the questions above and my doubts are:
a) i don´t have saturn neither in aspect with my 9th nor with the lord of my 9th, but until now i haven´t got married. could it be atributed to the fact that i´ve saturn in the 11th with A9 and A11 in my 9th house ?
b) I´ve got mars with my AL and I don´t have a bad reputation. could it be another explanation ? My father is a little bit crooked, but he is distant from me.
c) i´ve been treating a person with saturn and rahu ( a shrapit yoga ). it´s a woman ( a doctor ) and she had problems with a guru ( her shrapit yoga is in the 9th house with pisces ). this guru made a black magic to her. Is there any mantra that could help ?
d) my father has a shrapit yoga> saturn and rahu in the 2nd house in gemini. The problem is that our family in the 1870s had slaves. some mediums says that there are spiritual problems regarded to this. My father is a doctor but sometimes he acts like the devil was in his body. i tried very hard to help him but is hopeless. he also uses black magic.
elaine data: 27th january 1976. 21h30. rio de janeiro , brazil.
father: 6th june 1945. 6:00h, sao paulo, brazil
September 16th, 2007 at 11:43 pm
dear sir,
I have 2 questions:
1) when two upapada lords are in parivartna yoga in rasi–what effects does it have–does their effects get interchanged? or their timing?
2) when a person marries the same person twice in the sense—that the first time it is a registered marriage and five yrs later a tradional marriage does the upapada change or does it remain the same.
thank you.
September 17th, 2007 at 11:36 am
Dear Vistiji
you wrote in a previous post from someone:
…..Yes there is a possibility of a second marriage as the nodes haven’t influenced the first upapada…………
My question is, does this extrapolate to for eg 2nd relationship/marriage. For eg. if 2nd UL is cojoined Ra, then does that curtail possiblity of 3rd relationship/marraige etc?? Thank you
kat
September 26th, 2007 at 8:01 pm
Dear Jyothi, Elaine, Rupa, Kat and Supraja Namaskar.
I may have deleted your post by a mistake.
Normally UL/Venus in twelfth from AL makes the person themself reject marriage but only if Venus is in a sattvic nakshatra, otherwise it shows bad luck in these matter.
Which planet is your Atmakaraka?
Elaine
I was hoping that i didn’t have to wait until next life, but I thank you for your blessings.
I get Virgo lagna for your chart. Mars is in the ninth in Taurus, and when Mars is in Taurus or Cancer his negative qualities are significantly mitigized. Remember these two signs in your judgement of Mars.
Your delay in marriage is yet to be significant in my oppinion as you have barely started your Jupiter Naisargika dasa. Nevertheless the question is pertinent.
When the Atma itself is rejecting marriage, then what are we to do? In your case Jupiter is Atmakaraka and seventh lord. Jupiter is badly placed from both Mercury (darakaraka) and Venus (naisargika kalatrakaraka). Refer to Pachakadi Sambandha to understand more about this. Due to this marriage is likely to be delayed through Venus naisargika dasa (12-32) and will happen in Gurus naisargika dasa (32-50). To remove this delay you must worship Shiva as Omkareshvara (Jupiter).
Heres a mantra: om namaH shivaaya omkaraaya om om saH|
Worship of Shiva brings all spirits and negatives under control, and this mantra is the embodiment of the Brahmins Jyotirlinga. It is to be worshiped with a crystal shiva linga, but normal japa-recitation is enough.
To protect a friend from black magic i would need to see her chart, but the following is great beneficial:
Keep an idol of Jagannath or your Ista devata.
1. Recite the mantra ‘om shante shante sarva-rishta-nashini svaahaa’ (this should be done for Durga/Subhadra) recite 108 times after panchupachar puja [JWARAADI SHANTI PRAYOGA]
2. Keep a kalasha (earthern pot) full of water (that is to be drunk by the family) and recite the mantra 108 times for the jala abhimantrana [Ku-Kritya shanti]
om sam saam sim siim sum suum seim saim soum saum sam sah vam vaam vim viim vum vuum veim vaim voum vaum vam vah hamsah amrita-varcchase svaahaa
This wanter is now to be drunk by you and the family for purity.
3. Now the third step is to prevent the happening of untoward events [Vividha Aapad shanti]
Either remembering Hanuman, Shiva or Lord Narasimha or any other deity recite the following mantra 1008 times
om haum kshraum hamsah ham
4. Finally we should also address the very cause of all these anxiety and problems so that they may not recur [Devata Shanti Prayog]
If you are initiated into the bijas then the mantra ‘om namo bhagavate vasudevaaya’ is like thunder as the devata is UGRA MADHUSUDANA..Krishna in the battle field. You can do another mantra also -
om shante prashante sarva-krodha-pashamani svaahaa (in fact do this mantra 108 times before starting the Madhusudana mantra.) See the results for yourself.
Rupa
1. I would need to see the chart to be specific, but it can show that the two upapadas are the same person, or have some very strong tie to each other.
2. No change.
Kat
That is the principle, but Venus can break the ‘curtailment’ of the nodes.
Supraja
Kumbha vivaha is for everyone. It can help a person to get out of their current karmas in marriage, and is very beneficial.
Curses intensity depends on the INTENTION of the person when they performed the curse. If Venus is afflicted by two malefics in Dusthana then it can last for more than one lifetime.
Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen.