Astangata (Combustion) of planets

This article was published in the Apr-Jun issue of the Jyotish Digest. The Article describes the phenomena of combustion as well as the various oppinions on the same. It further shows its Jyotish use.

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Soul Sadhak Says:
March 29th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Dear Visti,

The list of Adityas (wrt Rasis) given in VRA (Sanjay Rath), pg 151, differs from the one mentioned in this document.

In the book, Dhata (~ Dhatri) is ascribed to Pisces. In the book (VRA), Dhata is taken as corresponding to “Chaitra” - the latter being the “first month” (corresp. to sidereal Pisces), according to the Indian lunar calendar rather than corresponding to the “first rasi” (= Aries ~ Vaishakha).

The slokas 3 and 4 (Vishnu Purana: Part II, Chapter 10) indicate Dhata corresponding to Chaitra; likewise acc to slokas 10 and 12, Vivasvan corresponds to Bhadrapada (~Leo) and Parjanya to Kartika (~Libra). This seems to match the list in VRA.

Needless to say, the list given by Kurma, Linga and Brahma Purana differs from that in Vishnu Purana (Part II: Chapter 10; slokas 1-17) as quoted in the document or that listed in VRA. Probably it is a misprint in the document.

Now, if ‘Parjanya’ is meant for showering rains, shd’nt it correspond to month of ‘Shravana’ (the rainy season) - in that sense the list of Brahma purana seems to be more logical, and incidentally, it takes ‘Vishnu’ corresponding to ‘Chaitra’ (Chap 31: Sloka 19-21: Vishnustapati_Chaitre tu vaishaake cha_aryamaa…). Likewise Pusha, that makes the grains grow wud correspond to month of Paushya.

And as per Linga Purana (chapters devoted to jyotisha), which gives the list of 2 adityas per season, lists the 2 adityas for ‘Vasanta’ are ‘Tvashta and Vishnu’ . The list given in Linga Purana (Chapter 55) is closer to Kurma Purana, though not completely matching.

However, if @ Bhagvad Gita Chapter 10, Sri Krishna says that among Adityas He is “Vishnu” and “Mrigashira” among the months, then none of the lists seem to correspond to that statement, until we see that among seasons He is ’spring’ viz. Vasanta (~ Chaitra and Vaishakha!).

So i guess we keep going in spirals - the crux being there are 12 adityas for a month corresponding to a rasi each, and giving 2 adityas per season - which one is which - can be subject to debate or discussion.

Best Regards,
SS
Visti Larsen Says:
March 30th, 2008 at 8:36 am
हरे राम कृष्ण
Dear SS, Namaskar
Thats right there are many lists of adityas for DIFFERENT purposes. The one we use to analyse Phalita or fruits of karma begins with Dhata (Savita) in Aries/1st house, and ends with Vishnu in Pisces/12th house.

So as far as the Jyotisha use there is no debate.

Yours sincerely, Visti Larsen
Soul Sadhak Says:
March 30th, 2008 at 8:41 am
Dear Visti,

Then what is the list in VRA meant for?

Best Regards,
SS
Soul Sadhak Says:
March 30th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
..the VRA list is repeated by Sanjayji in his message regarding “Combustion” as follows:

Quote:

The names of the Sun god in the twelve signs are given below, and a detailed study of these forms of the Sun shall explain the meaning implied by the combustion in a
chart when the Sun is in different signs.
Table 1: Surya
dvadasatma
> Sun Sign
> Aries Aryama > Taurus Mitra > Gemini Varun
> Cancer Indra > Leo Vivaswan > Virgo Pusha
> Libra Parjanya > Scorpio Anshuman > Sagittarius Bhaga
> Capricorn Twastha > Aquarius Vishnu > Pisces Dhata

Ref.: Sohamsa: message 9923

Sorry, i dont understand, u have quoted Vishnu Purana, but the list in the Purana doesnt tally with the one in the document - so how is that list arrived at.

Best Regards,
SS
Soul Sadhak Says:
March 30th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Or, is this just a difference in the nomenclature b/w Lunisolar and Solar Calendar (based on diff points of reference) followed in different parts of India.
In the former, Chaitra ~ Pisces;
while in the latter, Chaitra ~ Aries.

Many thanx
SS
Soul Sadhak Says:
March 30th, 2008 at 4:35 pm
and it seems to make more sense if we talk of solar entry into rasis as criteria for Combustion in naming the Adityas, i.e. use the solar nomenclature than the luni-solar one.
That way would Dhata ~ Aries make sense.

thanx a tonne for putting up.
SS
Sharat Says:
March 30th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
||Hare Rama Krishna||
Dear SS,
We have had this discussion before. The list of Adityas in VRA requires updating.
As Visti points out for looking at ‘ fruits of karma’ Dwadas adityas begin with Dhata in Mesha and end with Vishnu in Meena. You may refer to Sanjay ji’s lecture on the same.
Best
Sharat
Soul Sadhak Says:
April 1st, 2008 at 9:31 am
Dear Sharat,

that’s understood, the point is that Vishnu Purana (the source of the list used) indicates ‘Dhata’ for ‘Chaitra’ and

Chaitra in lunisolar calendar is considered to correspond to Pisces (theefore, Dhata corresp tp Pi - as in VRA’s list, and list given by Sanjayji wrt Combustion on sohamsa),

and in solar calendar to Aries (therefore Dhata corresp to Aries as in Visti’s list).

I wanted to have Visti’s veiw on the preference of the use of calendar wrt Combustion.

Thanx nevertheless.

Best regards,
SS
Soul Sadhak Says:
April 1st, 2008 at 2:21 pm
also, i dont think the list as used in VRA is wrong - it may have some other use.
elaine Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 8:11 pm
I have a friend with 4 planets combust. Is that a kind of a curse from past lives ? He is a lawer and doesn´t seem to have many problems, except for his sentimental life. 24/09/1976, 19:45, rio de janeiro, Brazil.
Srini Says:
April 2nd, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Vistiji,
Wanted to commend and thank you for an excellent article. There has been a lot of confusion about combustion for a long time. Thanks.

I wanted to know if we can assume that - If a planet is combust but is in higher degrees from Sun, it is in setting position and inauspicious - Am I correct?
If a planet is within combustion degrees but in the next house, is it still combust?

My chart - 4th Sept 1974, 2:00 am Bangalore, India.

I have Mars combust in Virgo along with exalted Mercury in my 4th house of Virgo. Sun is in 3rd in Leo.
Can I understand the significance of this, please?

Thanks.
Prasad Says:
April 8th, 2008 at 6:05 am
Dear VistiJi,Namaskar

In my horoscope of libra lagna, my lagna lord Venus is AK and deeply combust and is placed in 10th house in conjunction with Amatyakaraka jupiter who is also combust.Mercury is also placed with them but he is not combust .
But Jupiter and Venus are in 6th house in Navamsa where venus is exalted and Both of them are not combust here
So it is a conjunction of 6th 8th 12 lords in the Karma bhava with 6th and 1st/8th lord combust .Whether this will indicate to troubles in profession or AK combust in 10th will give rajyoga ?

suppose a diamond is worn for AK strngthening ,will it help career?

Please advice ,
Arpad Joo Says:
April 10th, 2008 at 8:15 am
||Hare Rama Krishna||
Dear Visti,

thank you for the excellent writeup. I feel however that many of these dictums about combustion needs to be coordinated and counter checked with the actual “fact on the ground”-as it were.In many cases combustion will not produce weakness of the “burnt” planet. Thomas Edison had a combust Mercury- yet the outcome was extraordinary genius. The American talk show queen (and incidentally the richest woman in the US)Ophra Winfrey has a combust Venus within 1 degree of the sun. Neither the external nor internal meanings of Venus are harmed- on the contrary. She was a beauty queen (Miss Teeneessee),and went on to become a Hollywood celebrity with many shows,films etc to her credit.And world-wide fame. Venus must be “super charged”.
And now to Cazimi: It is an Arabic word meaning in the “heart of the Sun”- the latin term for this is “Cor Solis”. Experience of hundreds if not thousands of astrologers in the last (at least 800 years- from the time of Bonatti)have observed how a Cazimi Venus becomes super radiant and benevolent.I know someone with cazimi venus- and the person is a world famous artist.(within 6′ of the Sun). It would be “neat” if the mythical story of Shiva opening his third eye to burn the hapless Kamadeva to ashes would apply unconditionally to all Cazimi Venuses.( as I was advised by some Vedic astrologers).But the reality does’t always work this way.

With deep respect:

Arpad Joo
prasad Says:
April 10th, 2008 at 11:12 am
Dear VistiJi,

Myself have Libra rising ,my 6th lord Jupiter and 8th Lord Venus are combust and posited in 10th house together with 12 th lord mercury .Jupiter is exalted yet combust .in what way these combust planets in karma bhava give their effects .do they cause troubles in job matters ?Please guide .
Regards
prasad
fre Says:
April 13th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Dear Visti,

I good one.
1. Can you please clarify this and direct me to respective examples in the text to understand this better
“Whilst the recalling of these events hold very deep significance, sticking to the topic of combustion the tradition explains that these two states of 1) spiritual and material blessing and 2) cleansing and burning, as depicted in the acts of Agni and Çiva, are the two states of combustion. One, which is inauspicious as the planet approaches the conjunction or cazimi with the Sun, and the other more auspicious and spiritually benefiting when it moves away from this conjunction as the person overcomes their mistakes.”
2. I did not understand this concept - I would appreciate it if you can explain
When is a planet approaching combustion (this is inauspicious right) and when is it moving away? Is it in terms of degree of planet or due to placement in other houses
Rajarshi Says:
April 16th, 2008 at 6:14 am
Dear Arpad,

Was reading your mail about combustion and some points came to mind. I am sure Visti would be a more apt person to answer your queries,but anyway I had some points in mind. Now in the article it is mentioned that when a planet is past the exact degree of combustion, it wil through “penance” confer different and good results. So I wonder what degree was Thomas Alva Edison’s merc from sun. Also penance can mean not just sadhana but also effort with correct kind of attitude pertaining to the fundamental nature of a planet. Also directions ruled by the planet as well as other various things around the universe which trhat particular planet will rule. So degree and placement of the planet becomes of utmost importance. In case of Oprah, she did have a childhood of sexual abuse. Sexual abuse definitely has to do with venus. Again the degree and postion of venus with respect to sun becomes of utmost importance.
So the point is, there is no generalized rule that the third eye of shiva will indiscriminately destroy anything that is combust. It depends on the exact degree placement of the planet with res[pect to the sun.

-Best regards
Rajarshi
Rajarshi Says:
May 22nd, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Dear Visti,

When seeing which planet is the strongest in the parivrajak yoga (in case combustion is also involved), do we use the sadbala strengths or vimsopaka bala?

-Regards
Rajarshi
elaine Says:
May 23rd, 2008 at 11:08 pm
hi, when my father registered my name in the civil office, there were 4 planets combust at the day. is that good or bad ? in my rasi chart i´ve no planet combust, but I do ask myself, if the register of my official name, one month after my birth, at an inauspicious date, can harm my destiny ?
rajarshi Says:
June 1st, 2008 at 10:02 pm
Dear Visti,

IN the example chart for jaw inflamation mars in moving towards sun as you mentioned. So does this mean that this was cause pain, and is the reason for his sustained anger?
Aalso does moving towards cazmi indicate remedies wont work?

For mercury combust, can the person chant the mantra for the aditya of the specifc rasi. Or the jyotirlinga mantra to exhalt mercury? ( as shiva is the pratyadi devata of agni)

-Regards
Rajarshi
fre Says:
June 14th, 2008 at 2:34 am
What is meant by:

1. behind/front or ahead of the sun in degrees
2. approaching the sun means in terms of degrees
eg: Sun 29 degrees Mercury 21 degrees
Sun 21 degrees Mercury 29 degrees

I would appreciate clarifications…
aredaman Says:
June 30th, 2008 at 6:06 am
Namaskar

visti ji

My dob 19 may 1970at 07.12 am Chandigarh Punjab and shanni(Saturn) is combusted in eleventh house and (as per vedic rule is forming parivartna yoga with mercury in same house )and currently i am undergoing saturn maha dasa and kitu anterdasha being saturn third from adhura lagana and melific how it is effecting me and cure for that ..One thing i want to share that after fallowing ur advice (rattan session) on wearing topaz( substitute of yellow sapphire–) i avoided loss from Indian stock market meltdown .So i thank full for ur valuable advice ( sir if possible do mention the weight of yellow sapphire (carats or ratti ) if i wants to wear that.

Thanks

ARDAMAN
Venkatesh Says:
July 4th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
JAI SRIRAM

Dear Visti,

In my chart Mercury is in combustion.
What is the result as Mercury is 8th and 11th lord

DOB:13-04-1975
Time:20.37.27
Place:77E44;08N43

Thanks,
Venkatesh